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  • So I guess we can talk about it here then... >:(

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    • Sure.

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    • So I could just give you a rundown of Edain migrations if you like?

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    • Please.

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    • Part One, Rhovanion and the Sea of Rhun

      No one's quite sure why the first men left Hildorien. Some say they had warred with men who fell under the sway of Melkor. Others say they fled the orcs themselves. One of the most popular theories states they searched for the source of the sun. I personally support this theory. However it happened though, there is no doubt that groups of men quickly began to migrate out of their birth place soon after awakening. The first to migrate were of course, the Edain. Two of the people's that would become the Edain migrated northwest, while one migrated straight west. I'll discuss the northwestwrn bound migration first.

      This migration was composed of two peoples, are larger one, and a smaller one. These two peoples went first north, where they met the dwarves of the Red Mountains, though it is unknown if any stayed there, or if any mixed with the Dwarven population. However the majority of them then turned west and settled there. The larger people settled on the north east side, and the smaller on the southwest. As you may have already guessed, the larger people was the House of Hador, (then called the House of Marach,) and the smaller was the house of Beor. For a short time these peoples stayed on the sea, and it was here they developed some of the first ships. However before long they were pushed west. Again, it's unknown if they were forced to move by invading forces, or simply once again resumed their search for the sun. All is known is that none of their descendants now reside there.

      And so the two house resumed their march west, and while the House of Beor took a more northerly course, the House of Hador traveled straight west. They then settled more permanently in Rhovanion. The House of Marach settled in the southern vales of the Anduin, from the Carrack to Lorien, as well as in Southern Mirkwood. Meanwhile the House of Beor was more constricted for area, as northern Rhovanion was already occupied much by the dwarves and wood elves. Because of this little pockets appeared in several areas.

      Any questions?

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    • Ok. What happened next?

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    • Meanwhile, while this was happening, another migration took place. A different people, shorter and swarthier than the other two, traveled directly westward from Hildorien, making their way through Rhun, and settling in southern Rohan and Northern Gondor, which was at the time almost entirely forest. They developed a woodmen culture there, which pertains in some areas to this day.

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    • What did they become?

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    • House of Haleth. :)

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    • Oh! What about non-Edain men?

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    • That's next weeks segment... :P

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    • So moving on?

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    • ChazmanianDevil wrote:
      So moving on?

      Yes.

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    • Okay, so before long, about half the House of Beor left their kin, and once again began to migrate crossed the misty mountains, and headed west and finally became the first men to cross into Beleriand, under the leadership of Beor, after whom the house is now named. In later years other would cross into very northern Arnor and settle there, but no others would cross Ered Luin. They first met the green elves of Ossiriand, and fell into conflict with them, as the green elves weren't too happy about having dirty men who cut down trees in their woods, and the men weren't too happy without wood and game, two things the elves protected. A serious conflict might have broken out, had not Finrod Felagund stumbled upon the Men of Beor on a hunting trip. He became the first elf to learn their language, and he became good friends with a women named Andreth there. When conflict reached a boiling point he intervened, and offered the men of Beor land on the plain east of the river Celon, and guided them there. And so conflict was avoided, and the land was named Estolad, Sindarin for encampment.

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    • Cool? What's next?

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    • Now here comes a part that is very murky, but can be inferred by looking at the evidence. Meanwhile at this point other men were finally heading further west. They must have come into conflict with the ancestors of the House of Haleth, and we can assume several conflicts took place, and the men of Haleth began to be pushed back. Many of them migrated Enedwaith and Minhiriath, where they settled and remain today. Other stood their ground, and stayed in Rohan despite invaders. Others traveled northwest, and entered Arnor, where they settled the peaceful land, and met and mixed with some of the Beor men. But the smallest group went into Beleriand. They crossed the blue mountains quickly, and didn't interact as much with the blue mountains dwarves like the Hosue of Beor did. (Forgot to mention that, but yeah, Hosue of Beor became buddy's with blue mountains dwarves.) They then enter Thargelion, and there they stayed. You can guess that kind of pissed Caranthir, the elf king there, off a little bit, but he ignored them for the most part.

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    • Go on.

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    • Next up was everyone's favorite house, the house of Hador! (Then called the house of Marach. A large group of them finally left the Anduin, traveled across the misties, the blues, and into Beleriand. They had the best fighting force of the houses, and it was said even the green elves of Ossiraind hid as they a,race he through their woods. Because of conflict with the green elves, (again), the House of Hador was told to move on to Estolad, where they joined the Hosue of Beor.

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    • What next?

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    • Orcs happened. They were of course, in a constant war with the elves, so the men were bound of come into the conflict with them. The houses Hador and Beor were both a large part of the war. They joined with the Noldor and fought battles alongside them, and a bond was formed. However, the House of Haleth stayed mostly neutral protected by the Noldor kingdoms to the north. That was until 375, when an Orc army invaded their lands. It was then that a Haleth rose up to defend her people, and drove the orcs out of their lands. In honor of their service, Caranthir offered them a fief in his realm, but they instead decided to move on, to the west, where they eventually settled in the forest of Brethil, under the condition that they defend the land here. (A deal made with Thingol, that they keep quite well.) Followign their example the other two houses were both granted fiefs decades later, the house of Beor in Ladros, and the Hosue of Hador in dor-lomin.

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    • Cool. Keep going.

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    • Well, while Dor-lomin and Brethil were relatively defensible, Ladros was on the front line in the war against Morgoth. Before long on his troops overran Ladors and Dorthonion, and the house of Beor was destroyed as a distinct group. The current lord, Bregolas, was killed, and it was up to his brother Barahir to insure the safety of the survivors. He managed to get the survivors out of Ladros, where some went to Brethil and merged with the House of haleth others going to Dor-lomin and merging with the house of Hador, and others going into the country side. Barahir remained with a company of men, who fought a guerilla war with Morgoth's forces. However they were betrayed by one of their members, and all were slaughtered except one, Beren, who was on a scouting mission at the time, and survived. And we all know what happened to him.

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    • Emboldened by his victory at Dagor Bragollach, and the destruction of the house of Beor, Morgoth had finally turned the tables on the elves and men. Their power in the north was lost, and the house of Hador struggles to maintain a front line. Under the Union of Maedros they fought the battle of unumbered tears, where they were betrayed by Ulfang and his men from the east. After this Morgoth invaded Dor-lomin, and gave it to Ulfang's men, who killed most of the house of Hador and enslaved the survivors, with only a few escaping to fight back.

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    • Ok. What next?

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    • Well, meanwhile house of Haleth remained in the forest of Brethil. They employed a similar strategy to Doriath, being extremely isolationist, and destroying any intruders. Because of this they lasted they lasted the longest as a coherent house out of any of the Edain. However it was not to last, because one dickhead who Tolkien names Turin, de idea to come in and screw everything up. After the defeat of Glaurung, the house of Haleht seemed to have escaped destruction. Well, until Hurin arrived there looking for his son years later. His presence sparked a civil war, which devastated the Hosue of Haleth, and finally finished off whatever structure they had left.

      And so it was that by the year 500 all three of the houses no longer existed as single entities in Beleriand, and now were only mixed wanderers and roaming clans of refugees.

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    • Ok. What next?

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    • Well I guess it's time to finish up this section. First, I should explain where the residents of each Hosue went after they were destroyed.

      House of Beor: Some refugees went to the house of Haleth and merged with them, others went to the house of Hador and merged with them, but those who stayed genetically distinct formed wandering clans and small coalitions in southern Beleriand.

      House of Hador: The house of Hador remained with the largest remaining population after being conquered, because instead of fleeing and being absorbed into other population most were instead enslaved my other men. They remained in dor-lomin as slaves.

      House of Haleth: After the civil war the remnants of the house were swept away by orcs. The remnants fled back east over the Ered Luin, and few, if any, stayed in Beleriand.

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    • But what does that have to do with the Numenoreans?

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    • Well these people do happen to be their ancestors.

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    • I know that, but how?

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    • Well at this point Morogth and pretty much conquered middle earth, and men were either have tuned like rabbits or enslaved and forced through brutal manual labor. However with the coming of the Valar, the remaining Edain through off their chains and joined in the fight, helping to Iw the last battle against Morgoth. Afterwards Beleriand was sunk, and the Edain were now homeless refugees. However as we all know the island of Numenor was raised up for them, and the remaining Beleriand Edain migrated there. The House of Haleth was gone from Beleriand, and therefore few if any Haleht blood was in the Numenoreans. The majority of the survivors were of the House of Hador, and so they took up most of Numenor. However there were also some, though less, of the Hosue of Beor, and they migrated primarily to Andustar, and western Numenor.

      This concludes our segment, "The Three Houses of the Edain in the First Age." Stay tuned for detailed descriptions of the three houses!

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    • Ok, cool!

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    • Well actually before we get to that I have to get through some borign stuff.

      Naming:

      Okay, so first off I have a confession to make. I haven’t been correctly referring to the different groups of men. Technically the term Edain, and the three houses, only describe those who entered Beleriand. So even though the Dunlendings share the same ancestor as the House of Haleth, they couldn't be considered members of the house or Edain. From now on Folk A is the ancestors of the House of Beor, Folk B, is ancestors of the House of Haleth, and Folk C is ancestors of the House of Hador. I’ve cleared up some other naming things below.

      Edain: The term Edain technically refers to all men, but the elves used it to describe only the three houses of men who fought alongside them in Beleriand. Therefore despite being in the same genetic group as the House of Hador, Rohirrim cannot be considered Edain.

      House of Beor: The House of Beor began to be described as such once they crossed over the Ered Luin, and as such their relatives in the east cannot be called members of the house. They are named after their leader at the time Balan, who later became known as Beor. He was the first man to fight alongside elves and serve under an elven king, and in general was a model member of the house.

      House of Haleth: Until 375, the men who would become the House of Haleth weren't really called anything. They kept mostly to themselves, living in the southern part of Thargelion. However that year as I have already said, the orcs crossed into their lands, Haleth drove them out, and they got a fief in Brethil. The Hosue was then named in honor of her. Btw, Haladin is another term to describe members of the House of Haleth.

      House of Hador: Interestingly enough, the House of Hador was originally called the House of Marach, after the warlord who led them over the Ered Luin. However after Hador led the House in battle against Morgoth, and they were granted the fief of Dor-Lomin, it was renamed the House of Hador in his honor.

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    • Ok, cool.

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    • Btw, any specific info I should include in the descriptions of the houses? I already have some.

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    • Really detailed descriptions of their culture and physical traits. Also, what where the languages of all of these people?

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    • Hard to tell. The language of the house of Haleth was probably similar to that of the Dunlendings, and the languages of Beor and Hador were probably ancestors of Adunaic.

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    • Interesting.

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    • Wow, that grammar is horrific, let me fix that... XD Any other questions?

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    • How did the other Humans happen?

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    • They all sprang out of magic bottles Argali! The Edain migrated from Hildorien, and the rest sprang out of magic bottles! XD

      All jokes aside, I'll go into that soon, after descriptions. I'll post the first one soon.

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    • Ok.

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    • House of Beor

      Famous Members: Beor (obviously), Boromir, Bregolas, Barahir, Morwen Eledhwen and foremost of course, Beren. Turin and Tuor were also half Beor.

      Homeland: Estolad, Ladros

      Physical Description: Generally of stocky build, with features on the larger side. They tended to have black or dark brown hair, and most of the men had beards. Probably a German type complexion, so relatively fair.

      Military: As a relatively small house, the House of Beor didn’t support a large scale military. They were lead into battle by the head of the house, and usually only men fought. They were not masters of military strategy, and their wars tended to be fought by strength and courage over cunning and organization. They were often allied with other groups in war however, in which case they tended to be more than willing to effectively collaborate. Like many early men, they lacked any effective cavalry.

      Societal Roles: Members of the House of Beor were very self-reliant, and what little they couldn’t get themselves they traded with other members of the house for. Each man tended to be a farmer with his family. Everyone in the family helped out and took care of the house together. Not full fledged, large wheat farms, which take too much space and time to care for, but smaller farms with plant gardens and livestock that offered a source of food. Men would hunt to add variety, and support the crop income. Men would also be responsible for the farm, and their families, as well as fighting for the House should need be. Woman would stay home, but also be vital to support the farm. Children were expected to do their part as well.

      Other: Obviously I couldn’t say everything so what else do you want to know?

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    • Cool. Next house?

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    • Yep, so anything I should think to add in the next house?

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    • Not really.

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    • Okay, cool.

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    • House of Haleth

      Famous Members: Haleth, Brandir, Dorlas, and Hunthor. Turin and Tuor were a quarter Haleth.

      Homeland: Thargelion, Brethil

      Physical Description: The shortest of the houses, with swarthier skin than the others as well. They tended to have dark hair and eyes.

      Military: The House of Haleth survived longest of any of the houses in Beleriand, mostly owing to their defensive strategy. They were experts in guerilla warfare, and used this to great effect during the war with Morgoth. Not only that, but they were also extremely isolationist, staying in their own lands where they had the advantage. Because of this they held the line on the Sirion for many years, and it took a civil war to bring them down. The House of Haleth was also famous for their female warriors, something unheard of among most of the men in Beleriand.

      Societal Roles: Unlike the House of Beor, the House of Haleth placed a high emphasis on communities. These communities were not large cities, but small walled villages. Everyone played their part in the community, whether it be as a cobbler, guard, or hunter. Much of their diet came from hunted game, or imported goods, as little could be grown in Brethil. Men and women were also far more equal in the House of Haleth, than in any other house, and as mentioned before, they were known for their warrior women.

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    • ArGaLi?

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    • Haleth sounds way cooler than the rest of them.

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    • My personal favorite. If it wasn't for Turin the Idiot and Dorlas the Thrice Damned they might have helped stay the orcs for far longer.

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    • XD

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    • XD Well, on to Hador?

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    • Sure.

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    • Okay.

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    • House of Hador

      Famous Members: Marach, Hador, Hurin, and Huor. Turin and Tuor were a quarter Hador.

      Homeland: Estolad, Dor-Lomin.

      Physical Description: The tallest of the houses, stated as towering over the others several times. They had both fair skin and hair. They tended to be slim.

      Military: The House of Hador had the most traditional military, as it actually could summon a decent sized army because of it’s larger size. They tended to have better armor and weapons than the other houses, and overall placed more emphasis on combat. In terms of military structure, they were probably most similar to the Rohirrim.

      Societal Roles: They tended to live in large hamlets, with a small population but large amount of land. They were the most agricultural of the houses, and had large grain farms that brought much of the income for poorer family’s. All men were expected to be soldiers in times of need, although they did have a decent standing fighting force. The situation with women was probably similar to the Rohirrim, respected but not on a level with men.

      Note: There is far more info on this Hosue than the other two, so you could probably find more if you wish.

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    • What about the 3rd house?

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    • Count them again. XD

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    • Fuck XD

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    • XD

      Hey, who wants to learn about the Druedain?

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    • Sure!

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    • Okay, don't hurt me, but, I lied. The Edain weren't the first ones to leave Hildorien. Actually, that was the Druedain. The Druedain were persecuted by almost all the other men in Hildorien, and fled extremely quickly, running from the men themselves. They traveled to Anorien, where they hunted and fished, and developed a society. When the ancestors of the House of Haleth arrived in the area later, you'd be forgiven for assuming s conflict would break out. However, instead, the two groups developed a mutual bond, and became effectively sworn brothers. When the Haleth ancestors began to leave the area, many of the Druedain followed them. However, judging from the fact that there are no Druedain in Enedwaith, Arnor, or Beleriand, they all eventually died out except for the population in the homeland.

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    • Huh. How were the Druedain described physically?

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    • They are described as like dwarves in shape and endurance. They were stocky, and stumpy, with "broad chests, fat bellies, and large buttocks", I kid you not that was the description. They had wide mouths, prominent eyebrows, sparse hair, and little to know facial hair. But most well known were their deep-set red eyes, that glowed red when angered. Oh, and they hated orcs with a burning passion.

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    • Anything said about their culture or language?

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    • Language, there's some of Tolkien's notes and some basic stuff in the books. All sounds like gibberish to the untrained eye, aka me, though. Culture was tribal. Hunting and fishing. They tended to stay out of the major power struggles.

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    • Did he give any hints as to who they might correspond with?

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    • Nope. Not that I know.

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    • Do you want to continue?

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    • Sure.

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    • So now we're past the Edain, just name a region in Northwestern Middle Earth and I can talk about it.

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    • Harandor.

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    • I'll need your help for that one, as it wasn't developed by Tolkien. That's step two. Try farther north.

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    • Pelargir.

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    • We now leave the area of hard fact and venture into a world of theorization. All this is my inferences from Tolkien's notes.

      The area was originally settled by men not of the Edain, who traveled there as refuges from eastern empires. The Men of Nurn are direct descendants of them. They lived simple fishing and agricultural existences. Unfortunately they would not be there for very long.

      One of the early Numenorean settlements was Pelargir. Interestingly enough it was founded by the men of Western Numenor, and because of this had a higher population of Beor descent than Hador, unlike most Numenroean settlements at the time. The natives were either pushed off the land or subjugated as a lower class, like in most Coastal Gondorian regions, and their remnants are unrecognizable today to the untrained eye. However, like in most areas you can still see the effect their genes had on today's Gondorians.

      The Pelargir city was also a very important city, as it was known for being a haven of the faithful. During the downfall of Numenor it was often flooded with refugees, and this only served to bolster it's rebellious spirit and population of Beor descent.

      During the Gondorian Civil War, it became a home for Castamir and his usurpers, which made it a popular gateway to Gondor for Haradrim. He was driven out of the city, but Pelargir remained the Gondorian city with the healthiest Haradrim population.

      These changes can still be seen in the fourth age.

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    • What were those native men like physically?

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    • And what language did they speak?

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    • As I said, probably similar to the Men of Nurn. Swartheir than the Edain, on the shorter side, and leaner than the Haleth-men. Think about it this way, if Numenroean were mainly Hador and Beor, and these are somewhat different from modern Gondorians, imagine the people they would have to mix with durign the Second and Third ages to get the Gondorians we have today.

      Unknown.

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    • I'm very interested in the Human populations of Nurn.

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    • Part of a migration/house of men who swept across Mordor and Southenr Gondor after the Edain. They first reached the then extremely fertile valleys of Nurn, and man you settled there. However this was a large group, and many went on into Ithilien, and then Southern Gondor. They always stayed out of Gorgoroth however. On later days Rhunninc and Haradic immigrants from the North and South would arrive, but after Sauron's rise to power Nurn was an unfavorable place to live for obvious reasons, and many more fled then came. Because of the length of his terror, for many years Nurn was an isolated area, even when it was being controlled by Gondor. Because of this Nurn may be a very good representation of the ancient tribes because of it's small influences from other areas, however unfortunately there enslavement by Sauron makes it hard to figure out what they were once like.

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    • Cool. I wouldn't mind looking into the creative opportunities of post-Sauron Nurn-folk.

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    • Yeah, that would be pretty interesting.

      Other areas?

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    • Forodwaith.

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    • Yeah, a little farther south.

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    • ):

      Were there ever Humans in Lindon?

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    • Well London today is the remnants of Thargelion and Ossiriand. So the Edain settled in the area briefly in the first age, but no permanent settlements.

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    • Oh, ok. What about.....the Vales?

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    • Which ones?

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    • Anduin.

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    • Ah. Well it's conplicated, so I'll talk about the gentetic groups individually.

      First, remember how the ancestors of the House of Beor left pockets along the northern border of Middle Earth? Well one of the largest concentrations was in the northern Vales of the Anduin. Unfortunately they suffered increasingly problematic wars with the goblins to the west, tensions with the wood elves to the east, and cold winters. Their populations consistently decreased, and many were absorbed by others. Now only the remnants survive.

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    • Ok.

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    • Second, the ancestors of the House of Hador, as you know, stayed in the Vales of the Andui for a long time. However, even when some left for Beleriand, many stayed behind. These were the ancestors of the southern woodmen of Mirkwood, and the Rohirrim. Even when the Rohirrim left for the southern lands, many similar to them stayed in the vales, living as they always had.

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    • How much do we know about the Men who inhabited Mirkwood?

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    • They only inhabited the southern half, as the north was dominated by the wood elves. They were descendants of the Edain migrations that went through there in the first age, same as the Rohirrim. They fought with the orcs of the misty mountains, and lived in the forest. Other than that, not much.

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    • What about their culture?

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    • Simple lifestyle. Family's usually live alone or in small villages.

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    • Families living alone in the forest? That sounds lonely AF.

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    • They have neighbors. That are at least an hour's trip away.

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    • Doesn't sound fun.  On another note, What do we know about the Lossoth?

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    • Basically we know they are the remnant of a greater people in Forodwaith, and live on the Western Cape and around the bay. We know they had a conflict at Angmar which lead to them having less influence, and that they were weary of the Western Men, perhaps as a result.

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    • Cool. I've always been interested in the Lossoth.

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    • Probably room for development. So what next?

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    • Druedain?

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    • ChazmanianDevil wrote: Okay, don't hurt me, but, I lied. The Edain weren't the first ones to leave Hildorien. Actually, that was the Druedain. The Druedain were persecuted by almost all the other men in Hildorien, and fled extremely quickly, running from the men themselves. They traveled to Anorien, where they hunted and fished, and developed a society. When the ancestors of the House of Haleth arrived in the area later, you'd be forgiven for assuming s conflict would break out. However, instead, the two groups developed a mutual bond, and became effectively sworn brothers. When the Haleth ancestors began to leave the area, many of the Druedain followed them. However, judging from the fact that there are no Druedain in Enedwaith, Arnor, or Beleriand, they all eventually died out except for the population in the homeland.

      Ta da!

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    • Oh, right.

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    • XD

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    • Hey you want to revive this discussion? I've been rereading and this was cool af.

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    • Sure. Could you tell me a bit more about the men of Núrn? I ask because I'm creating a filler faction involving Núrn.

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    • Can you give me what you've established first?

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    • Basically, they were the original tribal people mixed with many ethnicities captured as slaves by the Orcs. After Sauron's fall, they built a nation out of the husk of Mordor.

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    • Cool. So I told you about my basic conception on the origins of Nurn correct?

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    • I can't really remember.

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    • At some point a large migration of men, larger than the previous Edain migrations, arrived in Gondor, Rohan, and Mordor. They warred with the already established Folk B. (Ancestors of the house of Haleth, in case you don't remember.) Nurn was their first home, and though some spread out, many remained there.

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    • Cool.

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    • Next area?

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    • Well, my other 3 filler factions (not including the Olona, I consider them custom) are Malakas (which you know about), Saelounttang (basically ME Korea) and Eelam, a former Numenorean colony on an island south of Rhûn that is now its own nation (basically imagine a weird, Numenorean multi-national Sri Lanka).

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    • Cool. Actually the reason I brought this up in the first place was to get you're help on developing the ethnic stuff Tolkien never did.

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