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Eureka Enderborn
Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali
Aramirtheranger
ChazmanianDevil
• 8/25/2016

Conservative or Liberal? Perhaps Moderate?

Which are you, and why?

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Eureka Enderborn
Maltalidenta Kwuitidherali
Aramirtheranger
ChazmanianDevil
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• 8/25/2016

Being conservative has nothing to do with wanting to quash liberty. Taken to an extreme (lockstep totalitarian regime that kills you for blinking the wrong way), yes, it's dangerous, but the liberal extreme (utter chaos) is just as bad.

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• 8/25/2016

I didn't say wanting to squash liberty, but the fact is it's an issue about freedom. And I'd rather be in a world of chaos than a lockstep totalitarian regime that kills you for blinking the wrong way.

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• 8/26/2016

Aramirtheranger wrote: Being conservative has nothing to do with wanting to quash liberty. Taken to an extreme (lockstep totalitarian regime that kills you for blinking the wrong way), yes, it's dangerous, but the liberal extreme (utter chaos) is just as bad.

Okay. Might I ask what we're defining as "conservative" and "liberal" because in terms of England, I generally like the conservatives. But in terms of America, they're the gun rights activists who are voting for Trump. Let's just say I disagree with such things.

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• 8/27/2016

In the context of the States.

Ma'am, if you make it outside the law to possess firearms, the only civilians with firearms will be outlaws.

When was the last time you saw meth on the shelf?

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• 8/27/2016

Aramirtheranger wrote: In the context of the States.

Ma'am, if you make it outside the law to possess firearms, the only civilians with firearms will be outlaws.

When was the last time you saw meth on the shelf?

Never, because it's illegal to possess it. What of the amounts of firearms related deaths in England, then?

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• 8/27/2016
The city of Kennesaw, Georgia, has made it illegal for a family to not own at least one gun. Crime there has dropped by more than 80% since the law was passed. There is an inverse correlation between crime and gun ownership all around the world. Here's how the Israelis protect their schoolchildren:
Champion-Firearms-Blog-Israeli-Teachers




And here's how people like you and Argali decided to "protect" me when I was in school:
Gun-free-zone

Even back then I thought it was a stupid idea.

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• 8/27/2016

Aramirtheranger wrote:

The city of Kennesaw, Georgia, has made it illegal for a family to not own at least one gun. Crime there has dropped by more than 80% since the law was passed. There is an inverse correlation between crime and gun ownership all around the world. Here's how the Israelis protect their schoolchildren:
Champion-Firearms-Blog-Israeli-Teachers




And here's how people like you and Argali decided to "protect" me when I was in school:
Gun-free-zone

Even back then I thought it was a stupid idea.

And yet Aramir, does it not kill more people? Can we not use England as a credible example that while, yes, it is necessary for the correct authorities to have guns, it is not necessary for every random person to have one.

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• 8/28/2016

No, because England had the most violent crimes in the EU before you decided to leave and fuck the economy even more. Keeping weapons out of the hands of law-abiding people is only inviting those who are not law-abiding and are able to aquire them illegally to be violent. The US is hardly the only example of gun ownership coinciding with less violence- Switzerland is also one.

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Here's the statistics for the States. If you're that terrified by a statistically insignificant number, you're simply a coward. I've nothing else to say, so don't bother replying. I'll just ignore you, because I know you're wrong.
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• 8/28/2016

Aramirtheranger wrote: No, because England had the most violent crimes in the EU before you decided to leave and fuck the economy even more. Keeping weapons out of the hands of law-abiding people is only inviting those who are not law-abiding and are able to aquire them illegally to be violent. The US is hardly the only example of gun ownership coinciding with less violence- Switzerland is also one.

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Here's the statistics for the States. If you're that terrified by a statistically insignificant number, you're simply a coward. I've nothing else to say, so don't bother replying. I'll just ignore you, because I know you're wrong.

Aramir, I'd certainly like to see your figures for the former. In terms of gun-related deaths per every thousand people, America is fifty times higher. What I could find for knife-related crime put England eight times higher per every thousand people. But that is still incredibly better off.

The fact that you have a stupendous amount of guns does not counteract that there is a correlation between the higher amounts of deaths from guns. In terms of crime, perhaps there is less, but when you're threatening to shoot someone for stealing, there sure as hell are going to be many more deaths. So, while you have an incredibly silly amount of guns, that does not counteract the fact that there is fifty times more deaths caused by them.

The thing is, you try and claim that guns keep crime down. Thing is, while there may be less, those that are there are very often extremely violent. I'm certainly not saying you shouldn't be allowed to own a gun, but where I draw the line is requiring a special licence for semi-automatic guns, on top of a rigorous gun licence. But, it is certainly not your right to own a gun. It is a privilege that is to be earned and can be taken away at the drop of a hat.

The thing is, as I've said, the fact that, say, a thousand children have toys, and one of them kills two others with theirs, then comparatively, yes, that's only 0.1% being used to kill. But it's also infinitely more than before they had these toys. Now, while there are many external factors affecting this, it's still a heck of a lot worse than you let on, and twisting the figures doesn't do anything. I'm also warning you here Aramir that any further Argumentum ad Hominem will cause you to be banned from this thread, and any further replies removed. Certainly something calling for the opponent to shut up because and I quote "I know you're wrong". Seriously, it's this kind of behaviour that makes me lose faith in people. Certainly why I dislike you, Aramir, so please refrain from such behaviour in future.

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• 8/28/2016

I am most definitely liberal in terms of the U.S., and presently I agree with everything Malta's saying.

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