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• 1/12/2016

Is Eowyn a hero?

In LOTR, Eowyn showed great bravery in fighting and killing the Witch-king. Yet not only did she have to overcome this great evil, but also the societal gender roles of her time. She had to disguise herself as a man to fight, and it took great courage for her to do this.

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• 1/15/2016

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote: You don't have to deal with the crap Epwyn did. You aren't part of the royal family, responsible for protecting your country, like Éowyn was. You didn't have a brother who is an expert general and warrior like Éowyn did. (If all these things actually are true, correct me. I'm just assuming.) The situations are different.

Well, my brother would like to think he was as such, and quite honestly that has nothing to do with it. If anything that would've softened her to having a place in a court. She would be brought up knowing she'd be married off to form alliances, not to fight. That was her own decision, so it's rather different.

Not really. Rohirrim Kings were warriors and guardians of their people. Any of the royal family were taught to take care of the Rohirrim. Meanwhile Eomer gets praised for his prowess in battle and useful victories, while Éowyn has to stay at home. Wouldn't that make you want to fight?

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• 1/15/2016

ChazmanianDevil wrote:

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote: You don't have to deal with the crap Epwyn did. You aren't part of the royal family, responsible for protecting your country, like Éowyn was. You didn't have a brother who is an expert general and warrior like Éowyn did. (If all these things actually are true, correct me. I'm just assuming.) The situations are different.

Well, my brother would like to think he was as such, and quite honestly that has nothing to do with it. If anything that would've softened her to having a place in a court. She would be brought up knowing she'd be married off to form alliances, not to fight. That was her own decision, so it's rather different.

Not really. Rohirrim Kings were warriors and guardians of their people. Any of the royal family were taught to take care of the Rohirrim. Meanwhile Eomer gets praised for his prowess in battle and useful victories, while Éowyn has to stay at home. Wouldn't that make you want to fight?

I'd be happy not to be sent to my death.

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• 1/15/2016

Argali1 wrote:

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote: She isn't developed at all though. And how is she not stereotyped? She's cheap budget Luthien with a different name.

Eowyn is the sorta 'struggle against society by a strong woman' stereotype. Long winded, but overused.

Shall I point out when Eowyn's character came into existence? If she is part of that stereotype, she was one of, if not the first example of it. Any character that seems similar is based off of a stereotype that she was one of the first to set.

You do have a point about modern things, but there were many classical stories about strong women like that, and they were almost always fiction…

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• 1/15/2016

Not really. LOTR was actually one of the very very first stories like that where she was a hero. In Ancient Greek Mythology any women warriors were enemies, embodiments of the fear Greeks felt for what would happen if their wives revolted. Otherwise powerful women were evil witches and sorcerers. Never really warriors.

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• 1/15/2016

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote:

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote: You don't have to deal with the crap Epwyn did. You aren't part of the royal family, responsible for protecting your country, like Éowyn was. You didn't have a brother who is an expert general and warrior like Éowyn did. (If all these things actually are true, correct me. I'm just assuming.) The situations are different.

Well, my brother would like to think he was as such, and quite honestly that has nothing to do with it. If anything that would've softened her to having a place in a court. She would be brought up knowing she'd be married off to form alliances, not to fight. That was her own decision, so it's rather different.

Not really. Rohirrim Kings were warriors and guardians of their people. Any of the royal family were taught to take care of the Rohirrim. Meanwhile Eomer gets praised for his prowess in battle and useful victories, while Éowyn has to stay at home. Wouldn't that make you want to fight?

I'd be happy not to be sent to my death.

I don't feel like you can say without being in Eowyn's situation.

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• 1/15/2016

ChazmanianDevil wrote:

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote:

Heartgold1234 wrote:

ChazmanianDevil wrote: You don't have to deal with the crap Epwyn did. You aren't part of the royal family, responsible for protecting your country, like Éowyn was. You didn't have a brother who is an expert general and warrior like Éowyn did. (If all these things actually are true, correct me. I'm just assuming.) The situations are different.

Well, my brother would like to think he was as such, and quite honestly that has nothing to do with it. If anything that would've softened her to having a place in a court. She would be brought up knowing she'd be married off to form alliances, not to fight. That was her own decision, so it's rather different.

Not really. Rohirrim Kings were warriors and guardians of their people. Any of the royal family were taught to take care of the Rohirrim. Meanwhile Eomer gets praised for his prowess in battle and useful victories, while Éowyn has to stay at home. Wouldn't that make you want to fight?

I'd be happy not to be sent to my death.

I don't feel like you can say without being in Eowyn's situation.

You proposed the question, so I answered.

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• 1/15/2016
Sorry. That was odd wording.
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• 1/16/2016

ChazmanianDevil wrote: Sorry. That was odd wording.

It's the best way of annulling rhetorical questions - answering them ;P

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